September Old Blue

[Vièr Bliu]

Thanks for the clairification, John. No offence for the Spanish jibe..

Nobody expects the Spanish clairification!

(Couldn't resist...)

[CHAZ]

I reread again last night and enjoyed the large section dedicated to Hertford.

One point about Chris Simms and the First XV. His elder brother Mark 1977-1983 was "Super Sub" (linesman) for the 1983 team and ended up playing just about every match on the wing. He had abot of pace too. This was the team that was also unbeaten following on from the successful 1982 team...

[Vonny]

I also received my OB recently & enjoyed reading through it.

Chris Simms

Bit o/t but I had my first ever driving lesson with Chris and Dom Maguire The three of us split the cost and had 3 lessons together driving round the school

[Katharine]

I have only just read the interview with Ruth Deech, she was very senior when I joined the school. One thing that I noted was her comment I also think in terms of Hertford and CH I was proud when I became Principal of an Oxford College at the same time when five Heads of Oxford Colleges were attendees of Hertford or CH.

I am not sure that she has yet made the psychological move that I have by being a member of this forum. It has helped me to realise and accept that we are all Old Blues together and were educated by the one Foundation - even if it gives some of us palpitations to even think of doing your own washing in a washing machine at school!!

[jhopgood]

The following is correspondence between David Miller and myself concerning the last Old Blue.
David has been magnanimous in not requiring an apology, but since it is such a good article and it was my mistake, I thought it appropriate to let Old Blues in on the affair.

From David

1. There is a serious mistake on page 32 of the September The Old Blue, to which my attention has already been drawn by three readers. This occurs in the caption to the upper picture in which Bishop Pearce is described as the “Bishop of Westminster.” This is a serious error because:
A. The text makes it clear that he was the Bishop of WORCESTER (page 31, left column, para 4, line 4).
B. I have checked my draft for the captions, and the word is clearly written as “Worcester.”
C. The only time there has ever been an Anglican Bishop of Westminster was from 1530-1540. The title was resurrected by the Roman Catholics in the 19th century since when the head of that church in England has always been the Archbishop of Westminster. I am sure that Bishop Pearce would be turning in his grave  if he thought that he was being described with a Catholic title!

2. Page 32. Lower left picture. The last word of the caption should be “CEMETERY” and not “Cemetry.”

4. There is a further error pn page 33 left column last para, antepenultimate line, where there are clearly a couple of words missing. The sentence should read: “There were also the widows and orphans deprived of husband and father, and those women and children who had to live with and tend the wounded and incapacitated.”
 
Please publish the following on the CHA Website:
 
“The Old Blue, September 2008. Please make the following corrections:
1. Page 32. Caption to upper picture. Change “Bishop of Westminster” to read “Bishop of Worcester.”
2. Page 32. Lower left picture. The last word of the caption should be “CEMETERY” and not “Cemetry.”
2.Page 33. Final Paragraph. Penultimate sentence. After “live” add “with and tend”.

And my reply

David

It has taken me a little time to track down what went on as my procedure is to send Word Documents direct to Richard Constable's server. He is the person who puts them into a format (Quark) that the printers can use.
I have deleted interim versions so do not have a complete audit trail.
From what I can see, I sent the document and the photos separately, but not the document including the captions. This was because I was unclear how many photos we could include.
When he sent the magazine back for revision it was missing many captions, not only those on your article.
I thought I had cut and pasted from your document but that is obviously not the case, given the mistakes. The caption for that photo was very long and could not all be included, but that is no excuse for the mistake.
I'm not sure how the couple of words got dropped unless it was also to get it on the page.

Exclusively my fault, what more do you want me to say apart from putting the corrections on the web site?

John

[Ajarn Philip]

I confess I don't entirely understand the politics here, if there are any, but I assume Mr Miller (I don't know if he's a forum member or not) also offered his services as part of your editorial team to avoid future errors?

Can I openly (rather than via PM) re-state my own position - for all sorts of reasons I have less free time on my hands than I have ever had before. I don't have the time to be part of an 'on-line' editorial committee to decide what should or should not be included, but if there is anything at all that I can do over the Internet in the course of an hour or two, editing, research, etc., then I would be only too happy to help out. I'm sure there are a few others in the same position.

In the meantime, John, keep up the good work!

[jhopgood]

David has offered to help. He is a member of the Forum.
He has been a great help as have others, most I must say, members of the Forum.
We are slowly getting our act together. In many ways it is a matter of logistics which are always more difficult at the end of an internet line rather than sitting round a table in an office.
Thanks for your offer which I will take up if I can see the best way to use your help.

[jtaylor]

Hi John,

FInally got around to reading The Old Blue - fantastic magazine, as always - really impressed!

Well done for all your hard work...

Julian

[cstegerlewis]

Can I openly (rather than via PM) re-state my own position - for all sorts of reasons I have less free time on my hands than I have ever had before. I don't have the time to be part of an 'on-line' editorial committee to decide what should or should not be included, but if there is anything at all that I can do over the Internet in the course of an hour or two, editing, research, etc., then I would be only too happy to help out. I'm sure there are a few others in the same position.

In the meantime, John, keep up the good work!

To echo Phil my position is the same as you know John - when I originally volunteered I assumed I would have some time, but then got headhunted for a new job (starting next week) which will prevent editorialising, but proof reading etc should be OK (not that I have access to Quark - pdf's or word only really).

Interestingly, the job is HQ'd in Crawley working for a larger Aerospace Organisation that has supported CH in Engineering week recently, and also the new 'Manual School' (or whatever it is called now) - I am rather hoping I will be able to get down to Horsham a bit more frequently, but I haven't applied for the CHA position yet until I know what my schedule will be like (please note JT.....)

[Foureyes]

Ajarn Phillip wrote: "

I confess I don't entirely understand the politics here, if there are any, but..."

There are NO politics. John and I are good friends. The only reason I chased this up was because I started to receive a number of telephone calls (one at 10.30pm) and e-mails about the "Bishop of Westminster" and it needed to be cleared up once and for all. So I wrote to John and he had the courtesy to publish it all on this Forum, so that there could be no third-party misunderstandings.

These things happen. I was once a professional journalist on an international monthly magazine and we devoted a large amount of time to proof-reading both our own and colleagues' articles. We also proof-read each version as it proceeded through various forms of "proof." This was accompanied by a complicated system of forms where we had to "sign-off" each time we did some proof-reading. Despite all of that - which required time and resources John can only dream about - within ten minutes of a new issue arriving a journo from one of the other magazines in the building would arrive with a great smirk on his/her fare and draw our attention to pages X and Y, not to mention Z. ********!

David