Fat women and babies - something to chew on...

[Jude]

OK Hendrick calm down - this is ONLY a CHAT FORUM!

Can I just pick at your theory a little?

In hospital at the moment is a man who brutally and deliberately killed two innocent little girls for no apparent reason. He tried to end his life by taking an overdose, but was taken to hospital before he died. HE IS THE ONE WHO IS USING UP ALL YOUR TAXES MATE! He is now costing ALL taxpayers over £250,000 - YES a Quarter of a million A WEEK for specialized guards, suicide watch, councelling, education, 3 meals a day, sky / cable tv., a warm and comfortable place to sleep. Ok in return he may get bashed about by the other inmates as no one likes child murderers - but is he worth that money? Then there is Peter Suttcliffe - the Yorkshire Ripper - also costing approximately the same amount per week. And the Moors Murder - Hindley at least has had the decency to die.

What is the cost of a child's life? Compared to the tax you pay each month IVF on the NHS is nothing - about 40% goes to the governement pay cheques the rest is split on your pension (ha ha) and on paying for long term prisoners - Not on IVF people who have to first fork out their own money before they get it on the NHS.

Personally I think prison should be just that - a cell, and breaking rokes for excercise - no one in prison these days really has a bad time - consider it - the come out with degrees and better education than we can afford - they have "Re-hab" programmes - but when you go deep into the paper work - 89% of prisoners recommit the crimes again to go back inside as it's easier than living out here.

[sejintenej]

c'mon - we will confuse poor Kerren again - back to the subject topic -

If I was young, had no children, but wanted some, and had to undergo chemotherapy for cancer I would like to have some of my eggs frozen - at least I could then choose the sperm from a sperm bank! What's so wrong with women freeing their ova?

Nothing; the potential problem is that your partner can demand that such eggs be destroyed against your wishes and the courts will support him.

[sejintenej]

the current gene pool means that we are all related to one another by a long line

looking at this forum - THAT'S A REALLY SCARY THOUGHT...

That blue figure related to me? - now that is really scary.

[sejintenej]

is brown the 'new' black? Or is Brown the 'new' Blair?

Cath - if you continue to make such insulting and offensive suggestions - that there might even be a remote possibility - then you and I will be having words

[Rory]

sorry rory, i'm with the tories on this one.

why the hell should we pay taxes for these people? why should we sort out other peoples problems?

to hell with all this pension crap. i'm not old so why should i have to fork out for them?

single mothers should go back to their violent ex-boyfiends for support. it's not my problem, is it?

i'm not black and i was born here so why should i have to throw money at asylum seekers? i don't understand why they even need milk coupons, they're all used to being really skinny anyway. infact, given that they're all used to sleeping on the streets in filth and poverty, and being shot at, why don't we just send them to birmingham!

while we're at it, i'm not a woman, i'm 6'1", 13 stone, 21 years old and i'm white. why the hell would i want to pay for policing?

i've never needed an ambulance or fire engine in my life. yet more money potentially saved.

leave the bodies where they are, they're even biodegradble for heavens sake!

really, we don't need taxes at all.

Excellent - I love your response - made me laugh when I got the office on a rainy Tuesday - sounds like Hendrik won't be getting any benefits at all in the UK system - a mere white middle class guy who was born in the UK - but hold on a minute - I don't think we're on completely different sides here...Leave aside the whole moral issue of powdered milk (I think that was on this thread) but are you suggesting that no one pays taxes and everyone fends for themselves?? That's OK up to a point - but there is also a small element of social responsibility. HOWEVER - I also have a problem with the take everything and give nothing society - there are too many young people who are happy to live on benefits - get their girlfriend pregnant to get a better flat etc etc. whilst others choose to go to work and end up with less money. The issue of immigrants isn't the problem in itself - what is unfair and winds people up is that they come here and get loads of money from the state and a flat and a new TV etc.etc - I don't see why UK tax payers have to foot the bill for that.....

Then there's the business about prisoners in jail trying to kill themselves - great - let them. I can not understand why the government interferes and keeps them alive (force feeding etc,) at substantial cost when they're worthless crap people and should be left to die. Jude is right on that one...

[Jude]

Might I go further on my prisoner scheme and actually offer all lifers a little blue pill that will put you to sleep and then you die without pain.... what then is happening if they are being given the choice of taking the pill (which they can keep in their cell) or not - and every lifer should have signed a DNR (Do Not Resucitate) on entry...

Harsh - maybe - but so is taking a life be it a child, a mother, a father, - the family of the deceased suffer for the rest of their lives, and that is passed on to the generation after - the prisoner seems to have everything their own way!

Same for dealers in drugs.... they make money from killing yongsters with enticing them with drugs - ok the youngsters take them to be "cool" but everyone should see that drugs are not cool, or clever - but even more addictive than cigarettes....

morning lesson over - out to play all of you!!!!!!!

[J.R.]

Might I go further on my prisoner scheme and actually offer all lifers a little blue pill that will put you to sleep and then you die without pain.... what then is happening if they are being given the choice of taking the pill (which they can keep in their cell) or not - and every lifer should have signed a DNR (Do Not Resucitate) on entry...

Harsh - maybe - but so is taking a life be it a child, a mother, a father, - the family of the deceased suffer for the rest of their lives, and that is passed on to the generation after - the prisoner seems to have everything their own way!

Same for dealers in drugs.... they make money from killing yongsters with enticing them with drugs - ok the youngsters take them to be "cool" but everyone should see that drugs are not cool, or clever - but even more addictive than cigarettes....

morning lesson over - out to play all of you!!!!!!!

Well said in your last two posts, Jude.

But why give them a pill so they can die painlessly ? Did the little children they abused then killed feel no fear or pain ? I THINK NOT !

Bring back hanging !

As I've said before, I'd quite happily do it !

[graham]

the potential problem is that your partner can demand that such eggs be destroyed against your wishes and the courts will support him

Only, I believe, if the egg has been fertilized prior to storage by the partner's sperm. Although I may be wrong on that one.

[sejintenej]

Might I go further on my prisoner scheme and actually offer all lifers a little blue pill that will put you to sleep and then you die without pain.... what then is happening if they are being given the choice of taking the pill (which they can keep in their cell) or not - and every lifer should have signed a DNR (Do Not Resucitate) on entry...

Harsh - maybe - but so is taking a life be it a child, a mother, a father, - the family of the deceased suffer for the rest of their lives, and that is passed on to the generation after - the prisoner seems to have everything their own way!

Same for dealers in drugs.... they make money from killing yongsters with enticing them with drugs - ok the youngsters take them to be "cool" but everyone should see that drugs are not cool, or clever - but even more addictive than cigarettes....

morning lesson over - out to play all of you!!!!!!!

Sorry Jude; just one objection to your proposals.

Their victim(s) usually died a pretty nasty death - the fear before the act, the pain inflicted and suffered, the fear of the unknown, the distress to the victim's family(ies). Why the h*** should the perpetrator die a nice peaceful painless death?
OK so tell them they will simply go to sleep - don't tell them that that will follow many hours / days of he**ish agony totally alone, ignored by the world with no comfort, no painkillers....... Make it start if they merely touch the pill when they think they have to swallow it to have effect.

[Jude]

Now it all comes out!!!

You males are SO nasty! OK - perhaps we could give them cyanide - not so pleasant a death - but you two are worrying me - is this the man that CH promotes and makes????

[sejintenej]

Now it all comes out!!!

You males are SO nasty! OK - perhaps we could give them cyanide - not so pleasant a death - but you two are worrying me - is this the man that CH promotes and makes????

I don't know about Hertford 1975 - 1980 but Horsham 1950's was a simple matter of survival; having been through that you take a realistic view on life.

[Katharine]

Well I'm with Jude on this one. Two wrongs do NOT make a right.

[icomefromalanddownunder]

but everyone should see that drugs are not cool, or clever - but even more addictive than cigarettes....

Hmmm

Not necessarily true - depends more on the addictive potential of the user.

[gnuvag]

Prison is punishment but also rehabilitation. Prisoners should be given maximum opportunity and assistance to rehabilitate. Such attitudes as "let prisoners kill themselves" or "lock them up for life", etc., do not, in my opinion, have any place in a civilised and modern society.

Jude - quite a sweeping statement about drugs - there's a bit of difference between, for example, marijuana and crack.

[icomefromalanddownunder]

Jude - quite a sweeping statement about drugs - there's a bit of difference between, for example, marijuana and crack.

What about marijuana and nicotine?

My ex (and now deceased) parents-in-law were an alcoholic (mother) and a smoker (father).

Father-in-law, who was, admittedly, a male chauvinist extraordinaire, committed slow and painful suicide by refusing to give up smoking, even after being diagnosed with emphysema, of which he eventually died. He had absolutely no tolerance for his wife's addiction to alcohol, or of any other 'dirty, drug addicts' who were, in his opinion, weak willed, useless, and beyond his contempt.

Just to bring this back to topic: he was extremely overweight, but had no tolerance for his overweight, chocolate-eating daughter-in-law, who did, however, manage to perpetuate the family line by producing two offspring, one male . Oh, and without the aid of IVF.