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UNDERGROUND BUNKER

Posted: Mon Jan 04, 2021 7:25 pm
by Foureyes
I see that British Resistance Archive is asking for possible bunkers used by the 'Resistance Army.' I can recall seeing a possible candidate at C.H., but would welcome confirmation before I contact them.
The place I remember was at approx 51 degrees 03 min North, 0 degrees 09 min West.In other words somewhere deep inside the triangular wood just northeast of the C.H. railway station. It was a brick arch doorway, with a steel door, which had a veritable carpet of fag-ends at its foot (I wonder why?). I remember thinking at the time that it was in an odd position because unlike other bunkers it was surrounded by trees and would have had a very limited field-of-fire, but it would make more sense if it was a secret army hideout.
Does anyone else remember it and can give me more info before I pass it on to the Resistance Archive?
David :shock:

Re: UNDERGROUND BUNKER

Posted: Tue Jan 05, 2021 8:55 am
by brian walling
I remember this area well from the 1950s - often used to run and walk through there, with easy access from a path starting near the station. I never came across anything such as you described, nor heard any mention of it. However, in my day the area was generally under the say-so of the CCF and it contained the CCF's outdoor shooting range, in a clearing in the trees, as well as the the various obstacles of the CCF "assault course", including the rope swing-and-drop-off over the small stream. It seems to me entirely plausible that the area could have been the location of an old secret bunker which might easily have gone unquestioned and unflagged in view of the various CCF constructions in that wooded area.

However, I do note that the stream, coming from Doctor's Lake, that runs from east to west through there in the fairly deep gully in the trees at the bottom or southern end of the area, is part of the headwaters of the river Arun and it is just possible that the metal door and its solid surround that you describe could be something to do with water management or control of a spring that comes up there.

I believe that the old 6-inch-to-mile Ordnance Survey Map that hung outside our dayroom, and on which we planned our runs and walks in those days, labelled this small wood "Sparrow Copse".

Re: UNDERGROUND BUNKER

Posted: Tue Jan 05, 2021 11:58 am
by Foureyes
Brian,
Thank you - that is a most helpful reply.
I had not thought of the possible water-management explanation and will mention that possibility when I send the info to the Resistance Archive people.
I cannot remember the precise location with any clarity (old age!) but suspect that if it was used as a 'smokers' den' (of which I am certain) it would have been off the beaten tracks/paths.
Of course, it raises the intriguing question that if it WAS a secret army hideaway, then WHO were the secret army soldiers? The school had a well-organised Home Guard unit, commanded by one Major H.L.O. Flecker (of course - who else?) and composed of members of the academic and estate staffs, but it does not seem impossible that some of those might have had a clandestine role. Further, all members of the secret army were required to sign the Official Secrets Act, which was taken very seriously, so they were unlikely to have discussed it with anyone else - not even after the war.
I shall pursue this,
Thanks again,
David :shock:

Re: UNDERGROUND BUNKER

Posted: Tue Jan 05, 2021 12:04 pm
by Foureyes
Brian,
Since posting my earlier reply I have checked the name of that small wood and you are absolutely spot-on - Sparrow Copse it is. Your memory is better than mine. Thanks again,
David

Re: UNDERGROUND BUNKER

Posted: Tue Jan 05, 2021 1:04 pm
by LongGone
The only ones I remember were off Two Mile Ash in a wooded area. One was concrete, with an opening facing the road and had no back. My ex-army brother-in-law suggests it was probably for use by an anti-tank gun, which could be quickly removed out the back. The other was fairly close and was underground, of mainly brick construction. I assume there was originally some kind of hidden door, and that this was intended as a hiding place, though I doubt t if it could have held more than six people for any length of time.

Re: UNDERGROUND BUNKER

Posted: Wed Jan 06, 2021 4:05 pm
by sejintenej
Not a bunker but during my early days at CH the fields opposite Shelleys Wood had many vertical posts presumably to deter aircraft landings

Re: UNDERGROUND BUNKER

Posted: Wed Jan 06, 2021 4:35 pm
by Florida Blue
I remember what we referred to as a concrete "Pill Box", much as described by LongGone, in the woods overlooking the Arun from the west side about a mile or so from the station.

Re: UNDERGROUND BUNKER

Posted: Thu Jan 07, 2021 9:56 am
by Foureyes
sejintenej says: "Not a bunker but during my early days at CH the fields opposite Shelleys Wood had many vertical posts presumably to deter aircraft landings"
Absolutely correct. That was slightly before my time, but records clearly state that such posts were placed in open spaces to deter glider landings, as had happened at the Belgian Fort Eban-Emael, for example. There were also mounds of earth on some of the playing fields.
David :shock:

Re: UNDERGROUND BUNKER

Posted: Thu Jan 07, 2021 12:07 pm
by ZeroDeConduite
"Florida Blue ยป I remember what we referred to as a concrete "Pill Box", much as described by LongGone, in the woods overlooking the Arun from the west side about a mile or so from the station."

I remember that one, as I used to pass it frequently in the late 50s on my way to listen to rock'n'roll from the juke box in the biker's caff in Broadbridge Heath.
It was just over the little bridge with the flood control sluice over the Arun.

https://s0.geograph.org.uk/photos/42/92 ... eafcd7.jpg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KFlz79dMHjI

Re: UNDERGROUND BUNKER

Posted: Thu Jan 07, 2021 2:11 pm
by Foureyes
Fascinating video. Thank you. I particularly like the shelves for the left elbows and spare ammunition.
David

Re: UNDERGROUND BUNKER

Posted: Sun Jan 10, 2021 10:24 am
by Martin Chuzzletits
I remember that one, as I used to pass it frequently in the late 50s on my way to listen to rock'n'roll from the juke box in the biker's caff in Broadbridge Heath. It was just over the little bridge with the flood control sluice over the Arun.
I went in there one Sunday morning in the 1970s and there was porno lying on one of the shelves. Hard to imagine why someone would cart porn to a pillbox in the middle of nowhere and then just leave it there, unless Satanists did it in the hope of corrupting young minds. Fortunately my own mind wasn't appreciably more corrupt when I emerged from the pillbox than it had been when I went in.