Posted: Sun Sep 10, 2006 12:43 am
Well...................................
I have skimmed the past 5 pages as it got to the point of trying to walk through set porridge at times.
Lets take each item one at a time
1) IVF - consider this - if we do not procreate we loose many things in the gene pool, which thanks to Adolf Hitler was reduced by 300,000 in WWII. If you can not procreate without assistance who should judge you? Who has the right over life and death? No one really has that right. I was lucky - I had no problems conceiving - just giving birth - and I got one of each - yet had I not had children - there goes another gene from the line of Jews - (which is much reduced). In the last ice age the gene pool was reduced entirely by Mother Nature herself to 1/3 of what it was. Ergo - the current gene pool means that we are all related to one another by a long line. In certains parts of the World (and this country) villages are made up entirely of people from their own family - thus their genes are all very very similar (no doubt after a term or so of doing Human Genetics my daughter will tell me more!) This means inter-breeding occurs - and it wasn't put in the bible (which is just a book which was created to control people) for no good reason - even then writers could see what inbreeding did. Thus....... regardless of weight - and I am overweight - but not necessarily due to what I eat - no one can deny couples the right to ATTEMPT to conceive their OWN offspring.
2. Smoking / Weight / etc....
What a nancy pancy government we have got - I hope all of you have now gone out and re-purchased your booster seets for your up to 11 year olds..... on the spot fines and points on your licesne - that's if the police aren't allowed to tow your car away.....
IF all the revenue gained by the government from us smokers was put into the NHS it would run itself very happily. We are encouraged to smoke - or were - and then became addicted - OK DBTS you are a "saint" and gave up over 30 yrs ago, and I know full well your feelings about smokers... but YOU ONCE SMOKED - and you thought it was cool and clever and something enticed you to do it for all those years. If every smoker in the UK stopped smoking the government would fall over with no money. So - put the revenue from our smoking into the NHS and everyone gets treated.
Weight - some people cannot help their weight - I have had a great many drugs to help me live (perhaps I should have died then? and saved the NHS more money?) And don't anyone start on about everyone can help their weight - I know I can't help my weight - I was a size14, commuting to London from Glos everyday, never had time to eat, and yet within a short time I was a size 16, then a size 18... why? Because no one had realised that I had a thyroid problem, and for over 3 years it went untreated. Without thyroxine your body cannot metabolise anything. You become a slug without trying. Add into that mix a few other things like bad back from nursing (and yes today you can sue - in my day it was Crown Property and you couldn't) and you have a person who has very low metabolism unable to move around much. All it requires is part of a gene to be turned on or off to make a person fat or thin - it can be as simple as that - so please don't just think we are fat because we eat all the time.
3) Religion
Don't start - were you never told that religion, politics and education were not suitable topics for dinner table discussion?
Yes - you are all from us Jews. Christians - you just accepted the a man called Jesus (now a swear word) is your prophet - we Jews are still waiting (I s'pose it's called hedging our bets?) Islam etc. the same - we were all issued with originally the same texts - reason???? To control the maurauding poeple under the Kings/ Dukes/Tzars/Sheiks /etc.. It was a way of making certain that certain things were not done or were done. It was a way of trying to maintain control without being controlling. Why do you think that every religion has the same initial part? In the Old Testament / Torah / Koran it is an eye for an eye - a tooth for a tooth.. then you add a the New testament where it states you should turn the other cheek... and is it any wonder why everyone is confused? you have 4 peoples version of the same thing - in a court of law this would be reduced to just one version taking into consideration the others views! So we end up with high and lo Christians, extremist and liberal Islamics, and Orthodox and Liberal Jews - no wonder the planet is in dissaray.
At the end of the day - you are born, you die, these are known facts - what you do in between is up to you - and really not up to anyone else. The laws governing basic human rights - are there for everyone. So why can't we all stick to them?
I have skimmed the past 5 pages as it got to the point of trying to walk through set porridge at times.
Lets take each item one at a time
1) IVF - consider this - if we do not procreate we loose many things in the gene pool, which thanks to Adolf Hitler was reduced by 300,000 in WWII. If you can not procreate without assistance who should judge you? Who has the right over life and death? No one really has that right. I was lucky - I had no problems conceiving - just giving birth - and I got one of each - yet had I not had children - there goes another gene from the line of Jews - (which is much reduced). In the last ice age the gene pool was reduced entirely by Mother Nature herself to 1/3 of what it was. Ergo - the current gene pool means that we are all related to one another by a long line. In certains parts of the World (and this country) villages are made up entirely of people from their own family - thus their genes are all very very similar (no doubt after a term or so of doing Human Genetics my daughter will tell me more!) This means inter-breeding occurs - and it wasn't put in the bible (which is just a book which was created to control people) for no good reason - even then writers could see what inbreeding did. Thus....... regardless of weight - and I am overweight - but not necessarily due to what I eat - no one can deny couples the right to ATTEMPT to conceive their OWN offspring.
2. Smoking / Weight / etc....
What a nancy pancy government we have got - I hope all of you have now gone out and re-purchased your booster seets for your up to 11 year olds..... on the spot fines and points on your licesne - that's if the police aren't allowed to tow your car away.....
IF all the revenue gained by the government from us smokers was put into the NHS it would run itself very happily. We are encouraged to smoke - or were - and then became addicted - OK DBTS you are a "saint" and gave up over 30 yrs ago, and I know full well your feelings about smokers... but YOU ONCE SMOKED - and you thought it was cool and clever and something enticed you to do it for all those years. If every smoker in the UK stopped smoking the government would fall over with no money. So - put the revenue from our smoking into the NHS and everyone gets treated.
Weight - some people cannot help their weight - I have had a great many drugs to help me live (perhaps I should have died then? and saved the NHS more money?) And don't anyone start on about everyone can help their weight - I know I can't help my weight - I was a size14, commuting to London from Glos everyday, never had time to eat, and yet within a short time I was a size 16, then a size 18... why? Because no one had realised that I had a thyroid problem, and for over 3 years it went untreated. Without thyroxine your body cannot metabolise anything. You become a slug without trying. Add into that mix a few other things like bad back from nursing (and yes today you can sue - in my day it was Crown Property and you couldn't) and you have a person who has very low metabolism unable to move around much. All it requires is part of a gene to be turned on or off to make a person fat or thin - it can be as simple as that - so please don't just think we are fat because we eat all the time.
3) Religion
Don't start - were you never told that religion, politics and education were not suitable topics for dinner table discussion?
Yes - you are all from us Jews. Christians - you just accepted the a man called Jesus (now a swear word) is your prophet - we Jews are still waiting (I s'pose it's called hedging our bets?) Islam etc. the same - we were all issued with originally the same texts - reason???? To control the maurauding poeple under the Kings/ Dukes/Tzars/Sheiks /etc.. It was a way of making certain that certain things were not done or were done. It was a way of trying to maintain control without being controlling. Why do you think that every religion has the same initial part? In the Old Testament / Torah / Koran it is an eye for an eye - a tooth for a tooth.. then you add a the New testament where it states you should turn the other cheek... and is it any wonder why everyone is confused? you have 4 peoples version of the same thing - in a court of law this would be reduced to just one version taking into consideration the others views! So we end up with high and lo Christians, extremist and liberal Islamics, and Orthodox and Liberal Jews - no wonder the planet is in dissaray.
At the end of the day - you are born, you die, these are known facts - what you do in between is up to you - and really not up to anyone else. The laws governing basic human rights - are there for everyone. So why can't we all stick to them?
