Unofficial Christ's Hospital Forum

richardb wrote: Wed Aug 15, 2018 7:09 pm

LHA wrote: Wed Aug 15, 2018 7:08 pm anyone seen any press coverage?

Not a word.

LHA wrote: Thu Aug 16, 2018 7:27 am

harryh wrote: Wed Aug 15, 2018 10:51 pm

LHA wrote: Wed Aug 15, 2018 7:30 pm not even a cut and paste from Simon Reid

Embarrassing and cheap.

I wonder what the purpose of you being on this forum is Howard? You seem more concerned to defend every tiny act of Simon Reid (and yes, I'm right to criticise, if all the school can be bother to do after each court case is a cut and paste then at least that should have happened with Martin's latest appearance) than to consider how the decades of abuse were allowed to continue unchecked.

I'm afraid my recollection of you being a decent man must have been mistaken. You disgust me.

CodFlabAndMuck wrote: Thu Aug 16, 2018 8:39 am

richardb wrote: Wed Aug 15, 2018 7:09 pm

LHA wrote: Wed Aug 15, 2018 7:08 pm anyone seen any press coverage?

Not a word.

Maybe there has been an adjournment and reporting restrictions until a trial date can be set?

jtaylor wrote: Mon Aug 13, 2018 1:39 pm Absolutely. Would they dismiss a member of staff today for failing to report abuse, and publicise why they’d been fired? If so, they should be happy to condemn what’s gone before. If not, there’s still a problem today?

richardb wrote: Thu Aug 16, 2018 9:00 am Incidentally, I don't believe that Reid's exhortations were written by him. They will have been very carefully scripted from above.

marty wrote: Thu Aug 16, 2018 9:12 am

richardb wrote: Thu Aug 16, 2018 9:00 am Incidentally, I don't believe that Reid's exhortations were written by him. They will have been very carefully scripted from above.

And (without wanting to denigrate your profession Richard) almost certainly with input from a lawyer..

Mid A 15 wrote: Thu Aug 16, 2018 8:40 am

LHA wrote: Thu Aug 16, 2018 7:27 am

harryh wrote: Wed Aug 15, 2018 10:51 pm

Embarrassing and cheap.

I wonder what the purpose of you being on this forum is Howard? You seem more concerned to defend every tiny act of Simon Reid (and yes, I'm right to criticise, if all the school can be bother to do after each court case is a cut and paste then at least that should have happened with Martin's latest appearance) than to consider how the decades of abuse were allowed to continue unchecked.

I'm afraid my recollection of you being a decent man must have been mistaken. You disgust me.

Charles I normally like your posts but you're way out of line attacking Howard as you have even though he is big enough and ugly enough to defend himself.

Howard had Burr as a junior housemaster, was possibly taught by Webb, played cricket with Karim and worked with Husband and Dobbie. Roger Martin was also a master when Howard was a pupil.

His opinion is therefore as valid and informed, if not more so, than any other 'non victim' and adds to the forum.

I was in the same house as Howard for two years so knew him well and I can guarantee he is as repulsed and disgusted as any of us by these awful events and will want the School to accept accountability and responsibility where applicable once the dust settles.

However, being the decent man he is, Howard recognises the hiding to nothing Simon Reid has, through no fault of his own, inherited and is just asking that we remember that.

No more no less.

richardb wrote: Thu Aug 16, 2018 9:18 am
I think one has to remember that Howard was on the watch when Karim, Husband and Dobbie were rampaging through the pupils.

If it were me, I would be wracked with guilt about whether I missed a sign or two, or could have done more to prevent it. I am sure Howard feels like that too.

I think I would probably agree with the school's approach in those circumstances.

Jim Rayner wrote: Thu Aug 16, 2018 10:33 am

richardb wrote: Thu Aug 16, 2018 9:18 am
I think one has to remember that Howard was on the watch when Karim, Husband and Dobbie were rampaging through the pupils.

If it were me, I would be wracked with guilt about whether I missed a sign or two, or could have done more to prevent it. I am sure Howard feels like that too.

I think I would probably agree with the school's approach in those circumstances.

I think you're being a bit pompous there, Richard.

So far as I can see Howard is one of the good guys and I'd value knowing what he thinks about the history and the way things have now changed.

Like you I'm exasperated by Simon Reid's various statements to Old Blues because they focus on the changes that have been made to protect current and future pupils but ignore the obvious fact that OB's will be concerned about why things were allowed to go wrong in the past and what the school is doing to support victims.

I dare say Reid is doing the best he can in managing the school that he's inherited. The issue I have is that the concerns of many OB's are being politely ignored because reputation management is seen as more important. No doubt that's driven by policy decisions of the Council, and possibly lawyers and insurers (and God help us, brand management specialists); personally I think it's misguided.

jtaylor wrote: Thu Aug 16, 2018 9:11 am Howard, would value your recent experience over what CH would do today if they found out a member of staff had had abuse reported to them, but then failed to report it to the authorities?
I’d then ask the same question I asked on another thread:

jtaylor wrote: Mon Aug 13, 2018 1:39 pm Absolutely. Would they dismiss a member of staff today for failing to report abuse, and publicise why they’d been fired? If so, they should be happy to condemn what’s gone before. If not, there’s still a problem today?

I’m yet to see any statement which condemns any blind-eye-turning and any lack of reporting which may have gone on from other staff, SMT etc... The trials revealed that a girl was encouraged not to the authorities - I’m hoping that would never happen again today, and thus that behaviour would be easy to condemn today?

richardb wrote: Thu Aug 16, 2018 9:18 am

Mid A 15 wrote: Thu Aug 16, 2018 8:40 am

LHA wrote: Thu Aug 16, 2018 7:27 am

I wonder what the purpose of you being on this forum is Howard? You seem more concerned to defend every tiny act of Simon Reid (and yes, I'm right to criticise, if all the school can be bother to do after each court case is a cut and paste then at least that should have happened with Martin's latest appearance) than to consider how the decades of abuse were allowed to continue unchecked.

I'm afraid my recollection of you being a decent man must have been mistaken. You disgust me.

Charles I normally like your posts but you're way out of line attacking Howard as you have even though he is big enough and ugly enough to defend himself.

Howard had Burr as a junior housemaster, was possibly taught by Webb, played cricket with Karim and worked with Husband and Dobbie. Roger Martin was also a master when Howard was a pupil.

His opinion is therefore as valid and informed, if not more so, than any other 'non victim' and adds to the forum.

I was in the same house as Howard for two years so knew him well and I can guarantee he is as repulsed and disgusted as any of us by these awful events and will want the School to accept accountability and responsibility where applicable once the dust settles.

However, being the decent man he is, Howard recognises the hiding to nothing Simon Reid has, through no fault of his own, inherited and is just asking that we remember that.

No more no less.

I think one has to remember that Howard was on the watch when Karim, Husband and Dobbie were rampaging through the pupils.

If it were me, I would be wracked with guilt about whether I missed a sign or two, or could have done more to prevent it. I am sure Howard feels like that too.

I think I would probably agree with the school's approach in those circumstances.