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NEILL THE NOTORIOUS wrote:It ain't just 14 year olds ------
Jan was 17 when we MARRIED !
So she had her parents' consnt.
There were raised eyebrown when my wife was married just 4 days after her 21st birthday. 21 was then the age of consent but in fact we did it before her father died weeks later.
Even in my lifetime Irish girls could get married at 14.
Having more money doesn't make you happier. I have 50 million dollars
but I'm just as happy as when I had 48 million.
(Arnold Schwarzenegger!)
A near contemporary of mine from home was 16 on the Friday married (in white) on the Saturday and had her first child on the following Monday. They were together for 35 years until he dropped dead of a heart attack trying to get a car out of the mud on his farm.
My husband was 22 when we married and I was 21.
"If a man speaks, and there isn't a woman to hear him, is he still wrong?"
I have two daughters aged 15 years and 13 years, so either side age-wise of the girl concerned. Would I let either of them share a bed with a boy? NO WAY!! NEVER!! OVER MY DEAD BODY!!
anniexf wrote:Michael, I wouldn't allow them to share the same bed at that age. For one thing, they're both below the (British) legal age of consent, so if any hormones got going and the inevitable happened, then the adults who allowed this situation would be held culpable in law. Possibly, if the girl got pregnant, her parents could sue the adults for child neglect - I don't know if this is correct, but it's best to cover all the angles.
Never mind the German view of English "prudery" ( are they aware we've got one of the highest rates of teen pregnancy in the developed world?), I'd concentrate on the legal aspects and keep them apart. If they do have sex anyway it couldn't be said, then, that they were "encouraged" to, or that there was a laissez-faire attitude in the house.
NEILL THE NOTORIOUS wrote:It ain't just 14 year olds ------
My Grandson (22) will become a father in April, his Partner is 19
I am fine (Almost) with this, but I ponted out to him (We have a great relationship --- more like friends) -- that I diddn't expect to have to explain the "Birds and Bees " to him. --- nor the simple rules about avoiding pregnancy !
She is a lovely girl, with a Duke of Edinburgh's Gold ------ Obviously they should extend the syllabus !
Perhaps it was planned! They are both adults and unless you have to support them it is none of your business.
Having said that, my mother was heard to mutter when my sister-in-law announced her 10th pregnancy (to be fair she had miscarried 5 of them) "I thought I taught your brother about contraception". Result - a son after 4 daughters though I don't think that was the thinking behind it.
I have allowed my 16 year olds to share a bed, they don't have to share a bed to have sex, and they don't have to have sex if they share a bed ( I am not a Grandmother yet), but 14 IS too young especially if they are not your own.
I shall probably (Again) be attacked by somebody. But for the forseeable future we WILL be helping them, and ensuring a "Nest Egg", for the little girl, due 14th April, to be named "Darcey" ---- Mummy is keen on Ballet !!!
anniexf wrote:Michael, I wouldn't allow them to share the same bed at that age. For one thing, they're both below the (British) legal age of consent, so if any hormones got going and the inevitable happened, then the adults who allowed this situation would be held culpable in law. Possibly, if the girl got pregnant, her parents could sue the adults for child neglect - I don't know if this is correct, but it's best to cover all the angles.
Never mind the German view of English "prudery" ( are they aware we've got one of the highest rates of teen pregnancy in the developed world?), I'd concentrate on the legal aspects and keep them apart. If they do have sex anyway it couldn't be said, then, that they were "encouraged" to, or that there was a laissez-faire attitude in the house.
anniexf wrote:Michael, I wouldn't allow them to share the same bed at that age. For one thing, they're both below the (British) legal age of consent, so if any hormones got going and the inevitable happened, then the adults who allowed this situation would be held culpable in law. Possibly, if the girl got pregnant, her parents could sue the adults for child neglect - I don't know if this is correct, but it's best to cover all the angles.
Never mind the German view of English "prudery" ( are they aware we've got one of the highest rates of teen pregnancy in the developed world?), I'd concentrate on the legal aspects and keep them apart. If they do have sex anyway it couldn't be said, then, that they were "encouraged" to, or that there was a laissez-faire attitude in the house.
This.
This what?
This what you said in the quote!
In other words I completely agree with your comment and couldn't see that I could add to it meaningfully hence my concise one word reponse!
I attacked no-one, I just wondered what a 19 year old being pregnant by a 22 year old - two adults in a relationship - had to do with two 14 year olds sharing a bed, which is why I put in
"If a man speaks, and there isn't a woman to hear him, is he still wrong?"
My 28-year-old daughter (mother of two) who was brought up in Germany and now lives in deepest Devon with a Mexican husband, writes:
"I'd make sure with the parents of the two 14-year-olds but if it was fine with them, I "wouldn't bat an eyelid". If they've shared a room before and they have such intentions they've already done it. In any case, as the BZgA [a German govt. health advisory agency] reminds us, people very much overestimate the number of 14-year-olds having sex. It's more important that they know how to behave responsibly so they will always behave well even when not under surveillance rather than being kept apart. In my experience, Germans are very conscientious about contraception, MUCH more so than the English."
My own opinion remains: Two beds (or sleeping bags) yes, one bed no.
anniexf wrote:Michael, I wouldn't allow them to share the same bed at that age. For one thing, they're both below the (British) legal age of consent, so if any hormones got going and the inevitable happened, then the adults who allowed this situation would be held culpable in law. Possibly, if the girl got pregnant, her parents could sue the adults for child neglect - I don't know if this is correct, but it's best to cover all the angles.
Never mind the German view of English "prudery" ( are they aware we've got one of the highest rates of teen pregnancy in the developed world?), I'd concentrate on the legal aspects and keep them apart. If they do have sex anyway it couldn't be said, then, that they were "encouraged" to, or that there was a laissez-faire attitude in the house.
This.
This what?
Aaah, I get it, at last. Sorry for being a bit slow on the uptake Andy!