Hertford in 1881
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Hertford in 1881
While googling for Hazel Rolf's book I found this page http://www.hertfordshire-genealogy.co.u ... -girls.htm which lists the girls at Hertford in 1881. It's interesting to see that pupils came from all over England, and beyond, even in those days of difficult transport.
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I don't suppose they went home three times a term, probably not even three times a year!
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Isn't this fascinating?
Looking at the list of girls' first names, they could be names of rather smart girls today! Well, maybe not Ethel and Gertrude , but Susy, Louisa, Constance, Emma, Beatrice...
Looking at the list of girls' first names, they could be names of rather smart girls today! Well, maybe not Ethel and Gertrude , but Susy, Louisa, Constance, Emma, Beatrice...
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There seems to have been a Headmaster (aged 32), a master, a beadle(!) and a headmistress . Considering the number of boys, that seems very little to carry on the work of education. Also, the boys seem less farflung than the girls.
Incidentally, is it another CH characteristic to find lists like this (names, ages, hometowns) really interesting?
Incidentally, is it another CH characteristic to find lists like this (names, ages, hometowns) really interesting?
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It makes fascinating browsing.
Even including all the boys, the numbers from London seem outnumbered by those from elsewhere. Seems a few were born on ships or abroad. One boy is registered as "Trafalgar Square"!
I wonder if the place noted is where they were born, but that their families were now living in London?
If not, how could the Foundation justify their "Mission" which was to provide education for the poor of London?
It was also interesting to see the number of places now gobbled up by London: Woolwich, Lee, Southwark, Greenwich, Lewisham, Kennington, Deptford, Croydon etc. I have some old OS maps and London's expansion was quite rapid, following the railway lines. Just shows how important ease of transport is to the changing face of the world.
Even including all the boys, the numbers from London seem outnumbered by those from elsewhere. Seems a few were born on ships or abroad. One boy is registered as "Trafalgar Square"!
I wonder if the place noted is where they were born, but that their families were now living in London?
If not, how could the Foundation justify their "Mission" which was to provide education for the poor of London?
It was also interesting to see the number of places now gobbled up by London: Woolwich, Lee, Southwark, Greenwich, Lewisham, Kennington, Deptford, Croydon etc. I have some old OS maps and London's expansion was quite rapid, following the railway lines. Just shows how important ease of transport is to the changing face of the world.
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I thought when I first saw this heading that it referred to the 1881 census, but apparently not. It might be interesting to look that up and compare it with CH's own version!
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Traditionally other than the City of London, the parts of London north of the river were in Middlesex and south of the river in Surrey. I forget the date when it changed.
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What a fascinating link.
I notice one of the boys was called Talbot H Rothwell.
Could he have been a relative (father perhaps) of this chap?
http://www.screenonline.org.uk/people/id/874397/
I notice one of the boys was called Talbot H Rothwell.
Could he have been a relative (father perhaps) of this chap?
http://www.screenonline.org.uk/people/id/874397/
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This page http://www.hertfordshire-genealogy.co.u ... spital.htm (which has a link to the list) implies the names are from the census.
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If it's from a census then I guess there were other staff who were non-resident, and therefore not showing on the census for CH.
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I see that the first name on that list is "Julia Margaret Harbor" from Twickenham, my great-great-grandmother was also a Julia Harbor from Twickenham, probably related!
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Wow - two from Australia and one from New Zealand! That's a heck of a trip home on Long Saturday! Can you imagine the journey they had to take to get to CH in those days!??! Imagine the home sickness that some kids felt anyway and then imagine being that far from home at a time when it took weeks to get anywhere!!
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I don't suppose they saw their families for years. Officers in India and other parts of the Empire sent their children back to England to go to school, wild sons were shipped off to Australia or South Africa to get them out of trouble.......The only contact was through letters that took weeks to arrive. Unimaginable these days!
I wonder where the girls went in the holidays? I suppose they must have had relations here unless they spent the holidays at school.
I wonder where the girls went in the holidays? I suppose they must have had relations here unless they spent the holidays at school.
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I've long known about this website (and I THINK I've already mentioned it on the Forum). It features a Marker's Medal presented to a girl - I fought the owner for it on eBay and he won in the very last second. When I told him why I was interested, he said he would will it to me (wonder if he will have?!). It's a fascinating website and yes the names on that page do come from the 1881 census. Have you browsed deeper?
The names of the staff are well known in CH history circles/the Museum - there's even a book about Mr. Royde.
Sadly I have never since on eBay seen a Marker's Medal presented to a girl - though I (and others) have several presented to boys. To find Susannah Holmes' (as worn in both portraits) would be a real coup!
The names of the staff are well known in CH history circles/the Museum - there's even a book about Mr. Royde.
Sadly I have never since on eBay seen a Marker's Medal presented to a girl - though I (and others) have several presented to boys. To find Susannah Holmes' (as worn in both portraits) would be a real coup!
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