TV PROGRAMME - 1 APRIL 2010

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TV PROGRAMME - 1 APRIL 2010

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Many Old Blues will be familiar with the sad story of Jeremiah Duggan, Old Blue, who died in disputed circumstances in Germany some years ago.
So, you may be interested to know that there is a TV programme tomorrow night - that is Thursday 1 April 2010 - on Channel 4 at 2100 (9.00pm). Apparently the programme will cover two cases where young people have died abroad in circumstances where the official explanation has not been accepted by the parents. One is Lindsay Hawker, who was found in a sand bath in Japan, the other is Jeremiah Duggan.
I am NOT involved in the campaign, I just happened to see this in the TV programe guide and the name rang a bell.
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I watched the programme on C4OD afterwards. I thought the Lindsay Hawker case was clear-cut and was pleased that, thanks to the persistence of her family, her killer was kept in the public eye and has finally been arrested.

I was less persuaded by the Jeremiah Duggan case. The LaRouche organisation certainly sounds sinister and extremist but I did actually agree with the German prosecutor who said that no-one appeared to be directly involved in Jerry's death and, bluntly, it wasn't his job to bring peace of mind to the mother.

I felt sorry for Erica but I don't think she is doing herself any favours. Admittedly she had the support of his father, her ex, but her two daughters were conspicuous by their absence and there was a mention of family rifts as she had become increasingly obsessed by her hunt for "the truth". No-one can really imagine what they would do in such a position, but I can't help thinking she would be better advised to stop trying to find a specific individual culprit, lay Jerry's memory to rest, and then devote herself more constructively to campaigning against cults in general. That might allow her to move on but still do something positive in her son's memory.
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Jo wrote:I was less persuaded by the Jeremiah Duggan case... I did actually agree with the German prosecutor who said that no-one appeared to be directly involved in Jerry's death... I felt sorry for Erica but I don't think she is doing herself any favours.
I'm afraid many viewers will have received the same impression as Jo did. The programme inexplicably ignored a number of key developments in the story, most importantly perhaps the forensic reports that concluded that Jerry's injuries were not compatible with the official version of events, and indicated he had been battered to death while trying to defend himself:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2007/mar/25/world.germany
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Jo wrote: I felt sorry for Erica but I don't think she is doing herself any favours. Admittedly she had the support of his father, her ex, but her two daughters were conspicuous by their absence and there was a mention of family rifts as she had become increasingly obsessed by her hunt for "the truth". .
It takes a huge amount of will power to remain with someone who is persuing a matter like this. I cannot speak for the daughters but I can see that hey might want to move on, knowing that nothing will bring him back to them.
Jo wrote:No-one can really imagine what they would do in such a position, but I can't help thinking she would be better advised to stop trying to find a specific individual culprit, lay Jerry's memory to rest, and then devote herself more constructively to campaigning against cults in general. That might allow her to move on but still do something positive in her son's memory.
Can a mother let go in such a way? We are considering human psychology here and there are huge imperatives to act even where the liklihood of an acceptable output is almost zero. There is a parallel - the mother of that boy believed to have been buried on Saddleworth Moor by Myra Hindley and accomplice.

Jo; as onlookers we can think logically about Erica and make suggestions but when you are in the middle, such logic and thinking doesn't record. It may be unfortunate, even self-destroying but it is part of the human psyche.
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I watched and found it horrifying that the German authorities take such a view (even more so know I've read the bit about the forensic evidence). It leaves it open to people murdering others and staging it as suicide in Germany, or causing anothers death by indirect means on purpose.

I think any Mother who had heard her child on the phone telling them that they are frightened and desperate to see you and being cut off would find it impossible to rest until they uncovered the truth whatever that truth turned out to be.
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Rex wrote:
Jo wrote:I was less persuaded by the Jeremiah Duggan case... I did actually agree with the German prosecutor who said that no-one appeared to be directly involved in Jerry's death... I felt sorry for Erica but I don't think she is doing herself any favours.
I'm afraid many viewers will have received the same impression as Jo did. The programme inexplicably ignored a number of key developments in the story, most importantly perhaps the forensic reports that concluded that Jerry's injuries were not compatible with the official version of events, and indicated he had been battered to death while trying to defend himself:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2007/mar/25/world.germany
I had noticed the additional forensic reports on the Wikipedia article, and agree it's odd they weren't mentioned in the programme. There are questions that haven't been answered I suppose. In passing, I was also intrigued to notice from Wiki that although LaRouche is anti-semitic (which I'm not disputing), their Director of Security is called Jeffrey Steinberg. Very odd.
sejintenej wrote: Can a mother let go in such a way? We are considering human psychology here and there are huge imperatives to act even where the liklihood of an acceptable output is almost zero. There is a parallel - the mother of that boy believed to have been buried on Saddleworth Moor by Myra Hindley and accomplice.

Jo; as onlookers we can think logically about Erica and make suggestions but when you are in the middle, such logic and thinking doesn't record. It may be unfortunate, even self-destroying but it is part of the human psyche.
Absolutely - that's what I meant when I said "no-one can really imagine what they would do in such a position". She won't give up, of course.
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"If a man speaks, and there isn't a woman to hear him, is he still wrong?"
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Great News, but I have my doubts about the out-come.
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I heard on the news that the appeal was going to be heard but not the outcome. I'm really pleased for her, I just hope that the truth comes out this time and the German authorities stop covering it up.
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