Christ's Hospital / The Church of England / Child Abuse

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Re: Christ's Hospital / The Church of England / Child Abuse

Post by Jim Rayner » Tue Jul 24, 2018 11:24 pm

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Carey came to Sarawak in the early 90s when we were there. I met him at a couple of functions, I wasn't impressed with him then, and I'm not impressed now.

I did hear that the way the CofE chooses Archbishops is that two names go to the PM who makes the final choice. Carey was put down as nobody would ever choose him, so the other one, the preferred candidate, would be chosen. I don't know how much truth there is in that.
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Re: Christ's Hospital / The Church of England / Child Abuse

Post by Elvie » Wed Jul 25, 2018 12:05 am

There is a name on the kimbolton link who was convicted in 2010. I am curious as to whether it is the same person who taught geography at CH in late 80’s early 90’s. The persons’ age reported seems to suggest not, but I wondered if anyone else can confirm ? (Doesn’t seem right to post the name here, but hopefully someone will know who I mean)

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Post by LHA » Wed Jul 25, 2018 12:56 am

If the person was convicted absolutely name them

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Re: Christ's Hospital / The Church of England / Child Abuse

Post by richardb » Wed Jul 25, 2018 1:37 am

One was convicted in 2006 and two others in 2016.

Remarkable how some establishments are magnets for sex offenders.

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Post by cstegerlewis » Wed Jul 25, 2018 7:10 am

Elvie wrote:
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There is a name on the kimbolton link who was convicted in 2010. I am curious as to whether it is the same person who taught geography at CH in late 80’s early 90’s. The persons’ age reported seems to suggest not, but I wondered if anyone else can confirm ? (Doesn’t seem right to post the name here, but hopefully someone will know who I mean)
No chance of them being the same I am afraid. The one at CH was probably 30-35 when I left and certainly didn’t teach music, so at the time of the report would be 50+ rather than 36. AFAIK he was still at CH until quite recently.

In this case names are an unfortunate coincidence, and unless someone has facts the name is best left off. You can google if you really need to know (as I did!)
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Re: Christ's Hospital / The Church of England / Child Abuse

Post by Elvie » Wed Jul 25, 2018 7:17 am

Yes when I looked into it a bit further I figured that, and was relieved to see that it was clearly not the same guy!

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Post by Observer » Wed Jul 25, 2018 8:43 am

It may reward the curious to correlate mysterious staff departures with an absence of suitably appreciative valedictory notices in The Blue, etc. Indeed a careful reading of the known cases might hint at what was left unsaid.

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Re: Christ's Hospital / The Church of England / Child Abuse

Post by AndrewH » Wed Jul 25, 2018 10:04 am

Look's as if more than a few schools have had the same issues!

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/elit ... -slnkwvxn2
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Post by richardb » Wed Jul 25, 2018 10:06 am

And they all move the problem on with good references!!

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Re: Christ's Hospital / The Church of England / Child Abuse

Post by Katharine » Wed Jul 25, 2018 11:50 am

AndrewH wrote:
Wed Jul 25, 2018 10:04 am
Look's as if more than a few schools have had the same issues!

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/elit ... -slnkwvxn2
Can anyone explain why I could read the full article on my iPad but not on my Mac? Moving teachers on is one of the things that really sickens me.

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Re: Christ's Hospital / The Church of England / Child Abuse

Post by Scazza » Wed Jul 25, 2018 5:03 pm

AndrewH wrote:
Wed Jul 25, 2018 10:04 am
Look's as if more than a few schools have had the same issues!

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/elit ... -slnkwvxn2
Good God. The IICSA will have a field day when they start looking at boarding schools then. I assume theyll look at CH but maybe even want to call Poulton et al to explain their 'actions'.

Clearly it is a pretty endemic problem, so let's hope we dont get singled out as the scapegoat due to our charitable status and odd dress sense. Other schools may be better funded / represented / covered by NDAs, I guess.

Alternatively, if all schools get tarred with the same very large brush it may not be as bad reputationally as the school expected, more the whole boarding system will take a hit. Hopefully some sense of accountability, recommendations for better inspections. Then the school can compensate the victims and get on with teaching needy kids in a safer environment.

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Re: Christ's Hospital / The Church of England / Child Abuse

Post by postwarblue » Wed Jul 25, 2018 7:01 pm

I had a quick google re Kimbolton. It seems they were passed a bad 'un by Giggleswick even though he was under investigation. It's a peculiarly evil form of Pass the Parcel.
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Re: Christ's Hospital / The Church of England / Child Abuse

Post by DazedandConfused » Wed Jul 25, 2018 8:06 pm

AndrewH wrote:
Wed Jul 25, 2018 10:04 am
Look's as if more than a few schools have had the same issues!

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/elit ... -slnkwvxn2
I assume that this quote refers to Karim:
“In a third case a former teacher at a school in West Sussex, which cannot be named for legal reasons, is currentl­y on police bail for alleged sex abuse. He was allowed to move to another high-profile private school after concerns were raised about his behaviour.”

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Re: Christ's Hospital / The Church of England / Child Abuse

Post by richardb » Wed Jul 25, 2018 8:08 pm

Got to be Karim but would apply to Burr too.

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Re: Christ's Hospital / The Church of England / Child Abuse

Post by Avon » Wed Jul 25, 2018 8:41 pm

This issue of references is important and also actionable. As CH moved Karim on knowing full well he was a bad’un but supplied a reference that was sufficiently glowing for him to obtain employment elsewhere, then that is serious misconduct and a failure to even faintly recognise the obligation to protect children.

I wonder if the subsequent employers might still have - and be willing to share - any such references?
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