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It seems highly, highly unlikely, but one never knows.

Was the Peter Knight mentioned above, Peter Luke Knight, Barnes A, 1948-54, who left CH for a distinguished career in the services?
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The Peter Knight I mentioned above was fiddle player with Steeleye Span from pretty much the start of their career. He was to Steeleye what Dave Swarbrick was to Fairport. As far as I know there was no connection with CH or the services.
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rockfreak wrote: Thu Jun 07, 2018 7:43 pm One of the things that would be useful on some folk albums is a lyric sheet. I don't know whether folk singers inflect in a particular way but I was listening to Eliza Carthy's Anglicana album the other night and I was struggling to follow the words.
Do a Google search on "collection song lyrics" and you will find quite a few sites. At the bottom and followed "Song lyrics finder" for more. I even tried the correct spelling of my nom de plume (which is on Youtube) and found a few variations of the words but not the original hit song. That does not mean that your search for folk albums would be futile
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Since we mention Steeleye and Peter Knight I've been checking out old videos on You Tube and Knight's fiddle playing is shown wonderfully on "Steeleye Span: Old Maid in the Garret/Tam Lin" where an old Irish folk favourite is segued into a spirited reel. Maddy Pryor had at this time been joined by Gay Woods, the band's first vocalist on the album "Hark the Village Wait", who rejoined them for a while. I hope I'm not boring non-folkies out there but the late '60s was such a wonderful period for musical experimentation and the folk revival was a big part of it.
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rockfreak wrote: Sun May 27, 2018 8:49 pmI used to write for the music papers in the 70s
I do not recall your byline. Which papers did you write for?
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Martin Hayman wrote: Fri Jul 27, 2018 11:08 pm
rockfreak wrote: Sun May 27, 2018 8:49 pmI used to write for the music papers in the 70s
I do not recall your byline. Which papers did you write for?
Hello Martin. Are you the same guy who used to write for Sounds? I freelanced for the NME for about three years from 1973 to 76 and also wrote for Music Week and was involved at the launch of Record Business, the other music trade, in 1978. I used to specialise in country music so I also wrote for the country press.
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Martin, adding to my above message, my byline was always David Redshaw. If you are the Martin Hayman of Sounds I seem to remember that our paths crossed when I was sharing an office with Mike Leadbitter in the early 70s and you came in to get some background from him on a blues singer you were about to interview. Mike used to edit the fanzine Blues Unlimited and was a mine of information. Sadly he died in his thirties of some virulent disease.
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Yup that's me all right. Was one hell of a break getting into Sounds and I did pretty well. Sure I remember Mike Leadbitter who was a proper knowledgeable blueser, and I listened closely to what he had to tell me. His early death was pretty shocking.

I really loved being on the London scene and interviewed a lot of the stars of the moment. My top scoop was getting ahold of David Bowie right after he killed Ziggy Stardust at the Hammersmith Odeon. I traveled out to the Chateau d'Hérouville in the Pas de Calais, where he was recording Pin-Ups, and heard the early rushes. His manager Tony DeFries was furious when he heard about it and despatched Charlie Murray to even things up for the NME, but it was too late for their press day. Ha! Good times! It was very competitive.

I quit before I burned out — one career done by the time I was 25! I'm still friendly with some of the guys from then, Bill Henderson and Chris Salewicz, who last week published his biography of Jimmy Page.

Nostalgia for that era is growing and Bill tells me that a whole bunch of my Sounds interviews has just been republished online by Rock's Back Pages. I noticed that Brian Eno re-tweeted one of them. Despite the lapse of 45 years, I reckoned I would not change a word. But I don't dwell on the past and if it weren't for the intervention of my friend Stephen Cook (we were both in Maine B before the re-org) I would not be here at all. The past is another country!

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Other OBs involved in the music industry at that time, to my knowledge, were Peter Ledeboer (the younger of two Ledeboer brothers in one of the Barnes houses) who was writing for Melody Maker for a while in the late 60s and then went on (I think) to get involved with a music book publishing project. Peter Pugh-Cook (also Barnes) who did full-colour pop photography work for the magazines. And I heard that Mike Bamber (one of the Lamb houses and who looked a bit like Mick Jagger) was working for CBS Records in some capacity in the late 60s.
Elsewhere I've mentioned the late Dave Carr (Mid A) who had chart hits in the 60s with The Fortunes. There may be others lurking in the undergrowth.
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rockfreak wrote: Thu Jun 07, 2018 7:43 pm One of the things that would be useful on some folk albums is a lyric sheet. I don't know whether folk singers inflect in a particular way but I was listening to Eliza Carthy's Anglicana album the other night and I was struggling to follow the words.
Ah, but that would be the death-knell of Lady Mondegreen.
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rockfreak wrote: Sun May 27, 2018 8:49 pm Steeleye Span. Indeed it was they and Fairport who took traditional folk and set it in very inventive electric arrangements.
There is a Fairport connection mentioned in viewtopic.php?f=21&t=3955&p=143579&hili ... rt#p143579
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rockfreak wrote: Thu Jun 07, 2018 7:43 pm One of the things that would be useful on some folk albums is a lyric sheet. I don't know whether folk singers inflect in a particular way but I was listening to Eliza Carthy's Anglicana album the other night and I was struggling to follow the words.

https://lyrics.az/eliza-carthy/anglicana/
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Yes thanks for the link Sejintenej. They've provided some of the lyrics for that album but not all and invite anyone who might know them to send them in. I can't believe that Cecil Sharp House doesn't have these songs.
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So much of folk music was passed orally from singer to singer and generation to generation. By the time it got written down there often multiple versions. One I came across recently is Wildwood Flower. For many, the definitive version is by the Carter family with first verse:

I will twine with my mingles of raven black hair
With the roses so red and the lilies so fair
The myrtle so bright, with its emerald hue
The pale and the leader, and eyes look so blue.

It may well be the first and last lines got misheard over time, and were

I will twine with my ringlets of raven black hair
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The pale oleander and iris so blue

I know I heard Sting sing “golden fields of Bali” for years and was devastated to find it was “golden fields of barley”.Totally changed my mental image.
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Nice to find someone acquainted with the Carter Family Mike. They were one of the foundations of country music, discovered by the collector Ralph Peer in the 1920s. After I started writing about country music for the papers here in the early 1970s that seminal album Will The Circle Be Unbroken by the Nitty Gritty Dirt Band came out, playing with Mother Maybelle Carter, Roy Acuff and bluegrass figure Jimmy Martin. They brought the traditional music to a new audience and I got much copy out of it to a British audience who were to some extent ignorant of country music.
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