CHA versus CHOBA

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Re: CHA versus CHOBA

Post by icomefromalanddownunder » Thu Dec 10, 2009 1:25 am

J.R. wrote:I still prefer CHUBBIE'S

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Re: CHA versus CHOBA

Post by J.R. » Thu Dec 10, 2009 11:33 am

icomefromalanddownunder wrote:
J.R. wrote:I still prefer CHUBBIE'S

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I love you too JR :lol: :lol: :lol:

Many thanks ......

........orf topic I know, but I'll add it here.

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Post by CHAZ » Thu Dec 10, 2009 1:22 pm

Safe ope then JR and we look forward to your return to the site asap
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CHAZ wrote:Safe ope then JR and we look forward to your return to the site asap
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Re: CHA versus CHOBA

Post by jtaylor » Thu Dec 10, 2009 7:41 pm

Similarly to John I'm a board member of the CHA/CHOBA.

John knows far more about this than I, especially the history, having been involved in the transition.

My personal unofficial thoughts:-
1. Young Old Blues weren't not interested due to the name - but it wasn't obvious it was an association which is the main organisation for Old Blues.
2. CH Club definitely gave the impression of an old-style London Club - and hence not necessarily attractive to YOBs.
3. It's only a name - don't get hung-up over it! As Old Blues we really do tend to spend an age talking about what is essentially trivia in the grand scheme of things.
4. The CHOBA aims to foster relationships between Old Blues - this includes keeping a light touch with YOBs whilst their focus is elsewhere, but being easily accessible whenever we can help. By providing additional services (i.e. not just renunions) then this contact can be maintained. There's a wealth of Old Blues expertise out there, which we really don't make easily accessible.

I agree completely with John that our focus should be on the important areas, including the Careers network, rather than worrying overly about the name, structure, etc.

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Post by Great Plum » Thu Dec 10, 2009 10:21 pm

I know I'm delving off to the side here a little bit ( I am not much bothered about the name change - it makes no odds to me) but I feel that the YOBs have been a little neglected of late... very few gatherings recently... :(
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Post by NEILL THE NOTORIOUS » Fri Dec 11, 2009 10:04 am

One of the reasons why there is a lack of YOBs at Functions is ------

Founder's Dinners held in City Livery Halls and other "Posh" venues.
Great for those living in,or near to, London--- but accomodation ???? (And cost !)

Did anyone think of, at random, -- Birmingham -- Bristol - Scunthorpe---Glasgow -----

There is another world outside the M25 !

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Post by NEILL THE NOTORIOUS » Fri Dec 11, 2009 10:08 am

This is RIDICULOUS---- my last post suggested a town in Northern England called Sc--nthorpe

Which has been EDITED ---- Fo' de Lan's sake !!!

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Post by midget » Fri Dec 11, 2009 8:19 pm

PC strikes again!
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Post by Great Plum » Fri Dec 11, 2009 10:11 pm

NEILL THE NOTORIOUS wrote:One of the reasons why there is a lack of YOBs at Functions is ------

Founder's Dinners held in City Livery Halls and other "Posh" venues.
Great for those living in,or near to, London--- but accomodation ???? (And cost !)

Did anyone think of, at random, -- Birmingham -- Bristol - ****---Glasgow -----

There is another world outside the M25 !
That's a good point - my sister lives in Manchester and she is forever moaning about the London-centricity of events. (I think by its nature, many OBs do end up in London)

There is/was a YOB on the committee if I recall... is it still Kate Atkinson?
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Post by jhopgood » Fri Dec 11, 2009 10:16 pm

Great Plum wrote:There is/was a YOB on the committee if I recall... is it still Kate Atkinson?
Kate is still on the CHOBA Board and is deputy Chairperson.
She is also extremely busy at work, from what I can gather.
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Post by Great Plum » Fri Dec 11, 2009 10:31 pm

That's what come of working at the Treasury!
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Re: CHA versus CHOBA

Post by aliburns » Tue Dec 29, 2009 3:32 am

I think that it is in extremely poor taste for John Hopgood (Old Blue Editor) to personally attack me by quoting me as supposedly saying, [When I mentioned this at a CHC Board meeting, Ali, who was sitting next to me, said] "We have been working on this for almost 2 years and we are not going to go back now". [As a new person on the Board, it was a little like a pat on the head for someone who has no idea what is going on.] Personally I have no recollection of saying such a thing, nor do I believe that I would say such a thing. I also think that it is rather childish of Hopgood to be so hell-bent on nit-picking just because I called the CH Club, the “Old Blues Club”, when that is what it was known as colloquially.

By the by, the whole point of my raising the subject was to protest on behalf of those NON-Old Blues / CH Associates who would, (and do - I have asked some for their opinion!) feel excluded from a purely Old Blue-driven association. Why can’t the Association name include the word “AND” so that EVERYONE can belong to just ONE CH Family?

The problem the Association has in attracting younger Old Blues was not included in my letter as that is a totally separate issue.

Hopgood obviously loves his apparent dictatorial ‘power of the press’ – “After the event, Ali's note is the only one I have seen, and I had planned to include it in the next OB, but since he has seen fit to go public, I am less inclined.” – What is he so afraid of, especially as I sent him a copy for inclusion in the next OB? Is he truly working for the CH Community?

I also suggested at a CH Club Board meeting that the Old Blues Careers Network should have its own interactive website, so that ANY member of the CHA could post ‘jobs info’, ‘vacancies’, etc, thus allowing it to be more open and more efficient. The idea was deemed to be a good one by all those present, except one. The old boy who ran the network looked as though he was about to burst a blood vessel, so the idea was dropped for his sake. Tell me, who was he looking out for?

I used to be a staunch Old Blue, but after seeing, at first hand, so many Old Blues ‘feathering their own nests’ under the guise of doing ‘good work for the CH community’, (I suppose just like MPs!) I no longer wish to be associated with them.

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Re: CHA versus CHOBA

Post by icomefromalanddownunder » Tue Dec 29, 2009 6:46 am

I've been looking for a yawn smiley without success ............................................

I initially thought that Ali was short for Alison, and was a trifle surprised that she would indulge in what reeked to me of testosterone tossing :roll: Then, despite the fact that my brain and computer fan are close to failing in the heat, I noticed that, having joinedthe forum in 2005, Ali has posted only four times. Any chance that the fifth might take the form of a public apology to John?
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Re: CHA versus CHOBA

Post by jtaylor » Tue Dec 29, 2009 8:28 am

aliburns wrote:I used to be a staunch Old Blue, but after seeing, at first hand, so many Old Blues ‘feathering their own nests’ under the guise of doing ‘good work for the CH community’, (I suppose just like MPs!) I no longer wish to be associated with them.
I can't comment on the history - I had little to do with "The Club" (whilst I was a paid-up member) because it felt all too old and stuffy - I guess it wasn't, but it looked and appeared that way to a young Old Blue.

Your comments sadden me - especially when it's only a name change; the feeling was that it simply needed to be clearer that this was a core Old Blues' Association, in exactly the same way that the Old Blues Rugby Football Club is absolutely clearly a CH club, which I believe has MANY non-Old Blues happily involved and contributingly significantly?

Re. the 'feathering their own nests' - I'm surprised by this. I've seen none on this in my time on the Board (since the inception of the CHA) and would be interested in how you feel this exhibits itself? I suppose I take this as a personal insult (as a board member), with the implication that I'm doing it for my own benefit?

I'd be interested to know what you think that benefit could be? I'm yet to see any personal return or benefit from my time, expense and efforts for the CHA/CHOBA, nor for the CH Forum...if anything it's a huge chore and committment, especially the website side of things, and also when battling the momentum and intricacies of the CH establishment, to understand the limitations and achievable pace of change....I certainly don't do it for personal reward.

I'll be interested in your reply...

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